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I always found fractal shapes interesting. I think of them as a segments of eternity. Here is a clip from a documentary that introduces fractal geometry.

https://youtu.be/xLgaoorsi9U

If this isn't proof that God exists, then there is no proving He exists scientifically. Evolutionists like to write this off as natural selection, but what evidence is there to suggest that natural selection is capable of critical thinking? That is circular logic in my opinion.

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The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and the spirit, of the joints and marrow, and is a critic of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Good points, and great video. I added it to my Math Favorites playlist in Youtube (not my videos, but a collection specializing in fractals), here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsHTgAM ... D860BC55B5

I think the meter is related. Can't prove that yet.

The flaw of macro evolution is that it assumes you can develop a functioning complex circuit with no THINKING needed (ignoring the problem of where energy would have come from since it couldn't have 'always existed'). And since the only way you can modify genetics is through mutations (corruptions), they are forced to use that as an explanation as to how DNA can change. Which is hilarious, since CANCER is the real result of a mutation.

Furthermore, if a biological creation with sentience could be evolved after a handful of billion of years (with spontaneous cell generation to kick it off); why don't we have complex inorganic objects that evolved over time? Because it would be far easier to 'evolve' a computer with inorganic material than it would be with a human being. Yet nothing of the sort ever happened, someone had to THINK and design the circuit for a computer.

So the question should be... 'why didn't we have computers instead of having to make them?'

Computers are presently undergoing devolution at the moment, by the way.

Okay, so wouldn't 'evolution' and 'devolution' be two sides of a coin, such that there could be partial evolution but it hits some critical mass and then devolves? Kinda like entropy?

Here's another interesting video, tying simple multiplication tables to fractal geometry. Fascinating stuff. Too bad its not part of the public school curriculum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhbuKbxJsk8

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HEB 4:12
The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and the spirit, of the joints and marrow, and is a critic of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Thanks, will watch. Funny how the shape is like a lily pad or a butt. 1Cor12 Paul focuses on the reproductive organs, and here is a continuing math series of sets which shapes a human or animal backside in various posues, then MULTIPLIES them (hahahaha, Greek megalunw, to magnify by multiplying, used by Mary when she found she was pregnant in the Magnificat, and by Paul in Phili1:20).

Here are a couple of videos I thought might be important to share. They're around 20 to 30 minutes each, but I think they're both important for understanding infinity.

https://youtu.be/s86-Z-CbaHA

My biggest takeaway from this one was the difference between Countable and Uncountable infinity.


https://youtu.be/gB9n2gHsHN4

This one claims that not all fractals are self similar, but also gets into fractional dimensions. I think it'll help with understanding Countable Infinite Dimensions vs the Uncountable Infinite Fractional Dimensions.

It could be that all things are actually bound by self similarity, but that it only becomes obvious to our limited perception when they are observed on countable scales. Don't know. I'll have to think about it some more.

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HEB 4:12
The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and the spirit, of the joints and marrow, and is a critic of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Understood. Thank you for these videos. I had put them in my To Watch list, but they fit better here!

An interesting video on the Fibonacci sequences, and its relationship to spiral patterns. Might be key to understanding the root cause of electromagnetism.

https://youtu.be/_GkxCIW46to

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HEB 4:12
The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and the spirit, of the joints and marrow, and is a critic of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I was just thinking about this in the context of the five Greek infinitives of Isa53:10-12. My bad initial videos on it, from years ago,

https://www.brainout.net/Fixes.htm#Physics

katharizw does the birthing. Thing A imputed to thing B creates what did not exist, thing C.
Sexual analogy, Cross analogy, anything in life analogy.
So now we must find the solutions to A and B.
Their COMBINING is what causes the existence of C.
Conundrum is that PURIFY is the verb used to describe it.
0 is pure. 1 is not.
Husband purifies his wife (I forget where that verse is).

No answers yet, still thinking out loud.

So here's the tie between 0 and 1, string theory and computer code, frankly it looks to me like more fractals. Thank you for sending me the video. Many others are on its Youtube page of similar content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp4NkItgf0E

Wild thought: what if MATH is the instruction set for creation, the Lord speaking it into existence, Genesis 1:1? Then the subsequent verses call on that instruction set to renew? Wouldn't you have evolution as a result? But it's really not 'evolution' in the Darwinian sense.

I think that some kind of fractalic wave behavior LINKS QM to GR, makes the latter from the former. No proof yet, but this article helps display what I mean, https://aeon.co/essays/the-quantum-view ... -after-all

Specifically, imagine that God created a STRUCTURE to display his Omniscience, and this structure is math. Depicted spatially, it would be so many intersecting DIMENSION circles in all directions, so would seem like mass due to the unendingness of a circle, and due to the the overlapping but not necessarily used, constant connections at every logical point. Whether those logical points become actual points depends on whether a choice is made to enable it. But the POTENTIAL must always exist, else Omniscience wouldn't exist.

Fundamentally, knowledge is an act of will. In God, the very existence of knowledge is an act of will. It's really not correct though theology says it axiomatically, that God knows all the knowable, since that statement implies that things can exist apart from God and it's a question of Him knowing them all. But no: EXISTENCE is what HE WILLS. So if Omni, then He WILLS all POTENTIALS too. And, all NON-POTENTIALS. But for them to exist potentially or even not potentially, their MEANING must exist, even if forever unused (like the potential God can sin must remain potential even if it will never happen, else it's not potential and God is not omnipotent).

I'm getting all this from the five Greek infinitives in Isaiah 53:10-12, for the mechanism of paying sins has five stages which have to underly all math, biology, physics, the entire Plan of God thus reflected:

• katharizw purify
  aphairew carry off as plunder
  deiknumi point out, publish, make known:
  • that one, is the central theme of the article, and I've been wondering what this infinifive would mean UNTIL I read the article.
  plassw, sculpt (yatsar in Hebrew)
  dikaiow justify, make righteous, perfect (legal term, meaning to complete, stress on fulfillment of terms)

If what I wrote sounds like word salad, call me on it and I'll try to do better. All this stuff is hitting my mind so fast, I can't yet explain it properly.

Ultimately, then, the spiritual life is to complete the believer's soul like Christ's was completed on the Cross, same mechanics, lesser size/scope. So the structure needs to be completed, and therefore CAN be finite without compromise to Infinite Perfection.

Think of a golf or wire ball which is very small; it's least dense in the center cuz it's made from wires circled and then connected to transverse wires, each such wire right next to and at points overlapping with the other wire(s), so no gaps between wires. Then set inside another ball then another then another, all of them connecting to the prior inner balls. Over and over, bigger and bigger 'outer' ball. So now anything within the biggest outer ball (number set, formula set, sequence, etc) can TRAVERSE along the connection points. CAN, but maybe doesn't. The choice to manifest/traverse/become seen as per the article, is the deiknumi.

Ok, so then this Omniscient Mathematical Structure must be shaped as some form of a Hyper-spherical Toroid. The Spherical Toroidal points of intersection would then create Dimensional Complexes/Permutations of Realities. A Dimensional complex would be the stacking/intersection of Three Dimensional pathways to create a 4th Dimension (1D+2D+3D=4D). Basically we live in a world of length, height, and depth (measurements of distance), which is carried along a length of time.

So what are we looking at? I think we have a big bang that never stopped exploding. Where ever the center of our universe is, I would expect to see the Electro-Magnetic tri-formed point of intersection that fills our universe with the light and aether. That point of intersection would be a static combination of what QM physicists call a "White Hole" (opposite of a Black Hole), and a Black Hole. The video below is a short and simple explanation of both "Black Holes" and "White Holes". I think Astrophysicists have yet to find the latter, because they fail to realize that they must both exist together as a static unit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN8F0QKsCdY

If you're confused as to why I stick to the Toroid shape, its because the Spiro-graph shape found on the surface of a sunflower (see Mathologer's Fibonacci video a few posts back) is in fact a 2D representation of the 3D Toroid.

This video might help to explain the spiro-graph/toroid relationship in the context of magnetic fields. The creator of the video is not the best at communicating his theory (very word salady) but I believe he's on to something big. I recommend watching the entire video and trying to decipher his word salad the best you can, but put special emphasis on the visuals at 1:21, 1:58, 2:30, 4:18, 6:49, 9:21, and extra special emphasis on 12:24, and 14:08. Just imagine combining the last two time-stamps with the lines of intersection found in Mathologer's Fibonacci video. Then you can begin to form the big picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yi0WHKtRd4

So this is how we jump from the Multiverse Complex of the Omniscient Mathematical Structure to the all encompassing Electro-Magnetic Field that perpetuates all lower scale Electro-Magnetic Field within our 4D Complex (our universe).

Theoretically, God's Omniscient Mathematical Structure would have unlimited points of intersection, but would appear to have a limited equatorial circumference. Remember that a circle has a measurable circumference, but is composed of unlimited points. In reality, the circumference is unlimited as the intersecting pathways are rerouted by their intersections into the very Dimensional Complexes that they fill. The Toroidal "White-Black Hole" (our universe's point of intersection) would then reciprocate the pathways back through the point of intersection to the center of the Omnicient Mathematical Structure. The founding principle behind this would be breathing...in/out...it is our most natural concept of iteration.

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HEB 4:12
The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and the spirit, of the joints and marrow, and is a critic of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Well, again as we're discussing on twitter, I don't see why toroidal has to be the core structure. That very structure implies supports, in between.

Theoretically, there can really be an infinite number of polygons, but when it comes to platonic shapes (which can form platonic solids), 3 of which can exist in all dimensions. So maybe this video is a good analogous demonstration of how knowledge can exist in limited categories, but with unlimited applications.

https://youtu.be/2s4TqVAbfz4

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HEB 4:12
The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and the spirit, of the joints and marrow, and is a critic of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I'm sticking the magnetism video you sent me here, as I think it impacts fractals. Something about the interplay of QM but my brain is still inchoate on that. Prolly should start a separate 'magnetism' thread, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sUP_iL6NIU

This was the gif I sought.
http://imgur.com/gallery/xcaOSXF

I was thinking about God being one, but also existing in stasis as Trinity. Then I decided to try an alternative to the Fibonacci sequence, starting with 1 and 3. It goes like this:

1,3,4,7,11,18,29,47,76,123,199,322,521,843,1364,2207,3571,5778....

So far, I've learned at least one important principle...that there truly is nothing new under the sun. I googled these numbers, and discovered that they are called the Lucas Sequence, and they have a closer like to the Golden Ratio than Fibonacci. What's odd is, the only 7 multiple that I can find in this sequence so far is the number 7 itself. I don't know if any of this is at all relevant to our discussion, but I'm leaving this here as a potential trail to explore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeUbRXnbmms

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HEB 4:12
The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and the spirit, of the joints and marrow, and is a critic of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Yeah, and then think of the Star of David or Da Vinci's drawing of Man. 1 in center, 3 angles on either side.
14 and 21 are Fibonacci numbers.
28 is perfect number.
42 is Catalan number.
203 is Bell's number.
I find nothing after that, and nothing in between, either.

Feynman (in magnetism thread video, 1st in the series here http://www.cornell.edu/video/search.cfm?q=Feynman ) quipped that the ratio of Electrical Repulsion to Gravitational attraction is 42 (zeros), and it's the same ratio as between the diameter of the then-calculated universe and the diameter of a proton. He also went on to say that it accounted for the spirals. I've not yet heard him talk about toroids, but then the lectures are from 40 years ago or so.

Here's a related short gif, showing the same pattern in planetary orbit,
http://boingboing.net/2016/02/03/mandal ... -eart.html