Yeah, hupostasis, I think the exzw is key, 'outer'. As in outside, not included, not part of the inner circle, not enlightened, peasant, in the outfield, not part of the elite. So 'darkness' would have the larger spatial connotation. At the Father's table, far away from the Head.
That got me curious to see if the LXX used it:
KJV Ezekiel 41:15 And he measured the length of the building over against the separate place which was behind it, and the galleries thereof on the one side and on the other side, an hundred cubits, with the inner temple, and the porches of the court;
NIV Ezekiel 41:15 Then he measured the length of the building facing the courtyard at the rear of the temple, including its galleries on each side; it was a hundred cubits. The main hall, the inner sanctuary and the portico facing the court,
BGT Ezekiel 41:15 καὶ διεμέτρησεν μῆκος τοῦ διορίζοντος κατὰ πρόσωπον τοῦ ἀπολοίπου τῶν κατόπισθεν τοῦ οἴκου ἐκείνου καὶ τὰ ἀπόλοιπα ἔνθεν καὶ ἔνθεν πήχεων ἑκατὸν τὸ μῆκος καὶ ὁ ναὸς καὶ αἱ γωνίαι καὶ τὸ αιλαμ τὸ ἐξώτερον
WTT Ezekiel 41:15 וּמָדַ֣ד אֹֽרֶךְ־הַ֠בִּנְיָן אֶל־פְּנֵ֙י הַגִּזְרָ֜ה אֲשֶׁ֙ר עַל־אַחֲרֶ֧יהָ )וְאַתּוּקֵיהָא( ]וְאַתִּיקֶ֛יהָא[ מִפּ֥וֹ וּמִפּ֖וֹ מֵאָ֣ה אַמָּ֑ה וְהַֽהֵיכָל֙ הַפְּנִימִ֔י וְאֻֽלַמֵּ֖י הֶחָצֵֽר׃
Apparently the LXX only uses ἐξώτερον once, and that's in Ezekiel 41:15 to describe the 'outside porches' of the court. So the outside is still the outside, and the darkness is still having no to little doctrine (for both new jerusalem and the lake of fire are devoid of physical darkness). But figuring out where the *outer* is and whether or not it's temporary or indefinite. Unfortunately I have a strong suspicion that the 'wailing / gnashing of teeth' is temporary, but the 'outer darkness' is indefinite, or at least as "indefinite" as the person lets it, like the lake of fire...
Here are the verse groups that spawned the parallels with the 'word planted' parables, and their corresponding contexts:
**advanced notice, I'm going to skip putting the Greek since I don't have the time at the moment and want to churn through this quickly**==literal | kingship / maturity | kingdom in new jerusalem==
Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, amen I say to you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Matthew 8:11 And I say to you, That many will come from the east and west, and will sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 8:12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness: there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 8:12 is important since it's NOT being used in a parable but as a literal statement. Whereas the other two statements are mention in parables... so its a pseudo-parable. Which makes me think of Luke 16 since the first part is a parable and the second part isn't (but it's written in a way that the 'easily enticed' will demand that the whole thing is a parable).==literal | kingship / maturity | kingdom in new jerusalem==
Matthew 5:19 whoever therefore will break one of these least commandments, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.==literal | kingship / maturity | kingdom in new jerusalem==
Matthew 11:11 amen I say to you, Among them that are born of women there has not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.==parable== (kingship?)
Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said to him, you wicked and slothful servant, you knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: ==pseudo-literal==
Matthew 25:27 you oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
Matthew 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it to him which has ten talents.
Matthew 25:29 For to every one that has will be given, and he will have abundance: but from him that has not will be taken away even that which he has.
Matthew 25:30 And cast you the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.==literal== (sheep = saved / goats = unsaved) (ties into John 10:16)
Matthew 25:33 And he will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they will hear my voice; and there will be one fold, and one shepherd.
And here's some that start to become muddled, and not just in one manner. You have the problem of parables / non-parables phasing in and out, and then you have the problem of it directly and indirectly referencing salvation while simultaneously hinting of spiritual maturity.==parable== (kingship?)
Matthew 22:1 And Jesus answered and spake to them again by parables, and said, ==pseudo-literal==
Matthew 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like to a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
Matthew 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Matthew 22:4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come to the marriage.
Matthew 22:5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
Matthew 22:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
Matthew 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
Matthew 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Matthew 22:9 Go you therefore into the highways, and as many as you will find, bid to the marriage.
Matthew 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
Matthew 22:12 And he saith to him, Friend, why did you come you forth not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away,
and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.==literal== (salvation? the polloi contradiction)
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Here's the problem. The parable starts out with a dinner and a marriage (which hints back to the Lord's supper-- as much of this seems to do). Then the wedding starts with many guests gathered, some of which were sub-optimal, as the guests that were supposed to come did not (that sort of hints at Israel). But then there *was* a man who came
to the wedding (he didn't have
to and could have ignored the invitation like the first batch of guests) but didn't wear appropriate clothing to the wedding and was sent out to outer darkness, which is not wholly a parable since Christ repeats that statement in a non-parable, and then ends with the non-parable statement of many called, few chosen-- which Brainout's stance is that it refers to salvation (but the problem I'm having is that the rest of it doesn't seem to refer to salvation especially since it was JUST talking about aborted kings-- as such I'll refer to it as the "polloi contradiction"). So either Matthew 22:14 doesn't refer to salvation and the entire thing is focused on kingship, or it does and it is linking salvation with the kingship. I suppose salvation IS a prerequisite-- but the issue is, it's out of place. Soon as you say "yeah well they're going to go into outer darkness while they wail and have a fit of nervousness-- oh and... many are called but few are chosen".
Ah, well it could go like this...
Since it is in Matthew, it most likely is referencing Israel and then later Church having to pass over to the gentiles.
The invitations could be linked to salvation (whether you 'believe' or not is saying 'yes' or 'no' to the invitation). Then wearing wedding clothes or not could indicate maturity. And finally, Matthew 22:14 could be a double-whammy, poking fun at both "the elect" AND "the electED". Because... you can be part of "the elect" and not
be elected as a king...
And now for its brother parable in Luke 14==parable== (salvation?)
Luke 14:16 Then said he to him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: ==literal== (unsaved?)
Luke 14:17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
Luke 14:18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said to him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray you have me excused.
Luke 14:19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray you have me excused.
Luke 14:20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
Luke 14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
Luke 14:22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as you have commanded, and yout there is room.
Luke 14:23 And the lord said to the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luke 14:24 For I say to you, That none of those men which were bidden will taste of my supper.
So, Luke 14 in stark contrast to Matthew 22 seems to straight up identify this with unbelievers without the grey areas, for, unbelievers won't be at the Lord's supper. Now is it possible for the aborted kings to be excluded by God at the supper? I think they are 'required' to go but can excuse themselves. The context of Luke 14 is rather interesting, however...
Luke 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a repayment be made thee.
Luke 14:12 Ἔλεγεν δὲ καὶ τῷ κεκληκότι αὐτόν· ὅταν ποιῇς ἄριστον ἢ δεῖπνον, μὴ φώνει τοὺς φίλους σου μηδὲ τοὺς ἀδελφούς σου μηδὲ τοὺς συγγενεῖς σου μηδὲ γείτονας πλουσίους, μήποτε καὶ αὐτοὶ ἀντικαλέσωσίν σε καὶ γένηται ἀνταπόδομά σοι.
Christ talks about earthly kings, and also when you invite others for dinner, how they will invite you as well to 'repay' the honour.==literal / kingdom in new jerusalem / salvation or kingship?==
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say to you, will seek to enter in, and will not be able.
Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and has shut to the door, and you begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us; and he will answer and say to you, I don't you know whence you are:
Luke 13:26 Then will you begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and you have taught in our streets.
Luke 13:27 But he will say, I tell you, I don't you know whence you are; depart from me, all you workers of iniquity.
Luke 13:28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you will see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Luke 13:29 And they will come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and will sit down in the kingdom of God.
Luke 13:30 And, behold, there are last which will be first, and there are first which will be last
I'm going to say this is New Jerusalem and not the kingdom on planet earth, but I could be wrong.
This one is really confusing because, it doesn't seem
like unbelievers are being referenced. For starters, unbelievers generally would not make those claims (it seems to be referring to Christians specifically, obviously they know who "Lord" is). Traditionally I attributed this to the "type 5", or the roleplaying Christians who never believed.
But is the 'depart from me' the same as 'sent out of the kingdom'. If you're not entering, I'm pretty sure that means you're unsaved (Matthew 7:21), and as Matthew 8:12 shows the sons *of the kingdom* are in outer darkness specifically. So if you're not in outer darkness (ironically) you wouldn't be part of the Kingdom. I'm going to stick with the view that this is referring to 'type 5' roleplaying Christians who never believed. But the fact that they're being referenced in a 'kingdom' scenario is fascinating.
I also don't know why this one now
has 'first are last, last are first', especially since the context is more about salvation than the others.
Midway through all of this I found some rather pertinent verses in Revelation 19:
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Revelation 19:9 Καὶ λέγει μοι· γράψον· μακάριοι οἱ εἰς τὸ δεῖπνον τοῦ γάμου τοῦ ἀρνίου κεκλημένοι. καὶ λέγει μοι· οὗτοι οἱ λόγοι ἀληθινοὶ τοῦ θεοῦ εἰσιν.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Revelation 19:10 καὶ ἔπεσα ἔμπροσθεν τῶν ποδῶν αὐτοῦ προσκυνῆσαι αὐτῷ. καὶ λέγει μοι· ὅρα μή· σύνδουλός σού εἰμι καὶ τῶν ἀδελφῶν σου τῶν ἐχόντων τὴν μαρτυρίαν Ἰησοῦ· τῷ θεῷ προσκύνησον. ἡ γὰρ μαρτυρία Ἰησοῦ ἐστιν τὸ πνεῦμα τῆς προφητείας.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Revelation 19:17 Καὶ εἶδον ἕνα ἄγγελον ἑστῶτα ἐν τῷ ἡλίῳ καὶ ἔκραξεν [ἐν] φωνῇ μεγάλῃ λέγων πᾶσιν τοῖς ὀρνέοις τοῖς πετομένοις ἐν μεσουρανήματι· Δεῦτε συνάχθητε εἰς τὸ δεῖπνον τὸ μέγα τοῦ θεοῦ
Now I'm wondering if I got it wrong and the Lord's supper will occur down on planet earth pre-new jerusalem. Revelation 19:10 is an interesting verse to be included in amidst all of this, as deals with maturity (worshipping in spirit / worshipping only Christ -- else no profit, etc).
There is more but I'm getting impatient and will leave it at this.