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EDIT: video playlist showing Luke 21 and how it relates to Matt24 metering starts here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwCtLle ... f&index=28

Luke 21 is updated. You can always get the latest update by clicking .

For the Matt24 metering thread, .

The master list of the meters so far and Luke's Chap 1 Gospel and Acts meters are . If you have Bibleworks fonts and prefer to see the (weirdly-formatted) htm version, . The htm is perhaps more useful when using all the links to the rest of the material.

If I update LukeDatelineMeter, this thread will say so.


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Related, but not yet in LukeDatelineMeter, is the meter of Chapter21. I'm just doing it now, to compare with Anonymenon's Matt24 meter, .

Chapter 21's Greek is pasted without edit from BibleWorks 9 BGT. I didn't yet check for variants in the CNTTS apparatus (or the other ones) which come bundled with BibleWorks 9. (By contrast, the above LukeDatelineMeters.pdf uses BibleWorks 5 BGT, and includes variants if there are any.)

Attached is the 2-page meter parsing to this post. Note that, inter alia, Luke uses the same datelines for Chapter 21 as he uses in each his intro to 'Theophilus' and to his own Luke 1 Gospel, starting with the line about Zecharias. He also uses James' meter. The chapter plays obviously on Matt24, again demonstrating how Matthew is the first Gospel (duh, why scholars say otherwise only proves they ape the church fathers rather than doing their own research de novo).

So it becomes easy to know how to read Chapter 21: it counts to 1085 (a sevening), which is 35 years to the Mill at the time Luke writes Chapter 21; which is also, 28 years after Christ dies, 63 years after Zecharias got his visit, and thus ends with the end of the NEXT 1050 which was SUPPOSED to be the actual Mill's end, had Christ not been rejected. So comes to be the first 1085 of Church, aligning with the historical 1050s everyone then long knew.

NOTE: Luke is using the pre-Church 1050 schedule, not the new one that got established when Christ died, which Matthew is using. So Luke is reconciling old to the new one. How that affects any annual timeline satire I haven't yet assessed (i.e., where does Luke align with Matt24).

It's not so easy to see where the meter is intended to not merely interleave with Matthew, but elaborate. Same, for how Paul might be playing to Luke as well as Matthew. I need to further study the meter interplay.


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As if all the above weren't sardonic enough, take a gander at the syllable-counting, indexing, surgical-insertion prophecy 'sandwich' when applied to Domitian.. and to John.

Syllable 51-66 (=81-96AD) in each Matthew and Luke, go like this (for here, THAT order forms a sentence):

Matt24:2, relevant years: βλέπετε ταῦτα πάντα; ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, οὐ μὴ
Luke 21:6-7,relevant yrs: ἐπὶ λίθῳ ὃς οὐ καταλυθήσεται.
7 Ἐπηρώ[τησαν]

In Greek, you leave out verbs when you want to be dramatic. Notice how each Matt and Luke are covering the same 'lines', when Christ says not one stone will be left upon another. The Matthew text begins that 'line', and the Lukan text ends it. Plus, Luke adds the BROKEN STEM for 'to question'. But it has an interrogating meaning in Greek, such as when an authority is questionning an accused or witness. The idea of the disciples bugging Him. Intensity.

Now let's add Paul, Eph 1:6:
[katenopi]on autou en agape proorisas hemas eis hui[othesian].

I don't know if this could be more biting. Here's why:

:!: Domitian was known as a , think of him as an early and weaker version of Diocletian. So notice the Divine Decree that NOT ONE STONE be left, leaving out even the verb 'left'! Yeah, and if you , that was the Senate decree when Domitian died, they wanted everything remotely related to him, torn down!

:!: Domitian, as you'll see in the above links, was in love with his wife and jealous of her, and she ends up conspiring for his death. The entire pattern of his life is that of a boy who felt unloved by his father and was always trying to get love, admiration, attention. So Paul's 'en agape' is pretty biting, too.

:!: Of course, Domitian dies with a question strongly on his mind, when being stabbed in the groin by one of his trusted amici, with his wife helping in the conspiracy.

:!: And he doesn't quite make it into the 'heirship' or 'sonship' he so desperately wanted, so dies mid-word. Ouch.

:!: But the Pauline word which perplexed me, was 'proorisas'. Until, I found and .

Kill me now.

:!: Had done videos on Domitian some time ago, for Paul and for Domitian as the outcome of the Year of the Four Emperors. Material in each of the videos include more independent links.

Now look at the contrast, for John, who was exiled there 88/89 and maybe longer. Domitian wasn't persecuting Christians, but he was punishing JEWS, trying to collect taxes and find excuses to confiscate their property, esp if they were Jews but not public about it. John was a Jew, probably far away, and someone outed him in order to curry favor with whatever local magistrate; that is much more plausible than to fabricate a Christian persecution which no history corroborates.

So: same syllables in Matt-Luke, with the red glow text the year John writes Rev from Patmos, 88/89AD (syllable 58-59): yeah, Patmos was a ROCK and you could see it from end to end (about 6 miles wide and 7 miles long). So how wry the same words, Look at this ? Believe it when I tell you nothing upon a stone, undemolished.

Now the wry words in Paul, note the red glow for 88/9 AD (last syllable of agape):

[like at court, befo]re Him
In , foreordained into son[ship]

Clever, huh? The LAST apostle, completed in Love, the apostle who uses LOVE as his keyword in all his writings we have. Love, of course, is 1Cor13, metaphor for Word=Head (from huperbale in 1Cor12:31).

Seriously, I shouldn't be allowed to see this and live.


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Just for the heck of it, lessee what happens if we try the 'sandwich' for Tiberius through Nero. Translation is loose, i.e., a verb might be translated as a noun...

, 37AD died, so first 7 syllables in Matt24:1 and Luke 21:5, then Paul 31-37 (b.o.y.) thus:

Matt24:1 Καὶ ἐξελθὼν ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἀ[πὸ] and as Jesus was coming ou[t of]
Luke21:5 Καί τινων λεγόντων πε[ρὶ τοῦ] and some were talking ab[out]
Eph 1:3 eulogia pneumatike spiritual blessing

Okay, Jesus LEFT THE BUILDING so Tiberius did too, in the very year Christ was SUPPOSED to die, had He not been rejected, 1000 years after David's death, 4143 from Adam's Fall. In the same year, Pilate got his reprieve, since Tiberius who recalled him, had died.

And they were talking ab[out]
spiritual blessings! Yeah, because He was in Heaven, just as Paul writes!

.. um, well not quite. They should have been talking about spiritual blessings while He was still with them, but instead are oooohhhhing and aaaahhhing about the Temple magnificance. When the Real Temple was standing before them, coming out and leaving the Stone One. Ooops.

Of course, Tiberius had left Rome's buildings 10 years earlier to retire on Capri, which he surely considered a 'iesous' (god-is-salvation) and a blessing. Killed there, so they were TALKING, by who considered himself a god, to save the empire for himself, which Cally baby considered a blessing, too.

So now, next four syllables = years, for Cally:

Matt 24:1 [ἀ]πὸ τοῦ ἱεροῦ [ou]t of the Temple
Luke 21:5 [πε]ρὶ τοῦ ἱεροῦ [ab]out the Temple
Eph 1:3 en tois epou[raniois] in the heav[enlies, or those in heaven]

Ahh, so Cally who considered himself a god, but not from the source of nor about, TEMPLE -- tho he wanted to put a statue of himself in THE Temple, Herod apparently talked him out of it -- so our dear profligate dies NOT QUITE with those in heaven, huh. Ouch.

Enter, bloodthirsty, capricious, smart yet dumb cuckolded , 41-54 AD (subtract 30 to get syllable range for Matt/Luke):

Matt 24:1 ἐπορεύετο, καὶ προσῆλθον οἱ μαθηταὶ continuing out, the disciples (individually) approached [Him]
Luke 21:5 ὅτι λίθοις καλοῖς καὶ ἀναθήμασιν κε[κόσμηται] quality stones, votive offerings ad[orned it]
Eph 1:3-4 [epou]raniois en Christoi kathos exzelexzato [hea]venlies in Christ as He elected [us]

Yeppie, Claudius was indeed rolled out by the troops, who came to him and he was regarded as a lifelong student, writing many histories. And he did building, make votive gifts and offerings, and was himself turned into one -- deified, even. Now, Suetonius claims he elected to banish Christians/Jews -- which to the Romans, would be about the same -- and Acts18:2 says the Jews. Note that Claudius and Herod Agrippa fell out due to Agrippa's return to Jerusalem and improving the foritifications of Jerusalem, with the latter dying about 44 AD (Acts 12, when Paul gets started as a regular missionary).

So: if in Ephesians, 'Christoi' sarcastically references that expulsion, then it would be around 47 AD, after Agrippa died. The Luke and Eph passages are written circa 58 AD, so it's retrospective sarcasm, still setting up the pattern of satire before going future.

Of course, though Father elected all men be saved, Claudius didn't apparently avail himself of that election, instead electing against the Will, and hence only part of epouraniois applies for him, too. NOT QUITE.

Next, our boy , AD 54-68
Matt 24:1 αὐτοῦ ἐπιδεῖξαι αὐτῷ τὰς οἰκοδομὰς [τοῦ ἱεροῦ]. [disciples] his, to point out the buildings [of the Temple]
Luke 21:5-6 [κε]κόσμηται εἶπεν· 6 ταῦτα ἃ θεωρεῖτε ἐλ[εύσονται ἡμέραι] [ad]orned it, He says 'All these things which you see, in co[ming days]'
Eph 1:4 hemas en autoi pro kataboles kosmou einai us in Him since before the founding of the world, to be

Nero was very big on buildings, huh: fire of Rome, anyone? His own palace? Pointing out the buildings by turning Christians into torches? Oh yeah, foundation of the world! Neropolis! Center of the world, him! Wanted to rename months, too! Burn all Rome down and start over from the foundation, not since Romulus!

And all he sees will co.. ooops, Nero comes to BE an end, not holy and not in the Temple, either. End of the Claudio-Julians. Awww.

Note well, that oikodomas BEGINS at 64 AD. When Rome burned. When the Jews in Jerusalem, started rebelling a lot. Paul would likely be rounded up in the overall order by Nero to Vespasian beginning sometime in 66-67 AD -- 2Tim is 67, so no later than that -- when Nero was still in Greece (in 66, first time Nero commissions Vespasian to subdue Jerusalem). So Building of Church is in peril, too. Heh.

By contrast, Paul ended a few months before Nero did. So now lookie:

Paul pointed out the buildings of Church (i.e., Eph3:15-Chapter2).
US in Him from before the founding of the world,
The organization, all that you see, will co -- Oh, Paul went home!



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Do you think that syllable 1085-1092 of my parsing of Matt 24:33a could be updating where Luke 21:36 left off???

Luke 21:36 in black, Matt 24:33 in red.

ἀγρυπνεῖτε δὲ ἐν παντὶ καιρῷ δεόμενοι ἵνα κατισχύσητε ἐκφυγεῖν ταῦτα πάντα τὰ μέλλοντα γίνεσθαι, καὶ σταθῆναι ἔμπροσθεν τοῦ Υἱοῦ τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἴδητε πάντα ταῦτα, γινώσκετε ὅτι ἐγγύς ἐστιν ἐπὶ θύραις.....

"....and to stand before the Son of Man; You see all these things? Know that it is near, at the door.

I know that neither Luke 21:31 nor Matt 24:33a are asking a question, but when the meters are placed on top of each other, it would make sense.

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It's possible. Seems to me Luke is tracking Matt24 syllable by syllable, but only for the first 1050, cuz the remainder he already covered elsewhere or didn't elaborate on. The two SYNC at 1036, 1050, 1071, and 63, 100.

Engus doesn't mean near, it means NEXT. Door opens in Heaven as Rapture, Rev 4:1. Heh.


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Well, I'm not so sure about that. Luke uses Atticisms so would be more classical Greek in his pronunciation. Paul too. Greek changed a lot since 30 AD, and at the time Matthew was writing, they were just beginning to debate elisions. Used to be considered elegant, but the trend was to reduce them. But for those alive prior, the old habit of using elisions was still in use.

http://www.brainout.net/JohnDatelineMeters.htm#E has a link to a writeup about the debate.

Remember, these books were written with an eye toward their audience. The audience then, memorized orally by syllable counts, so any elisions would naturally occur and be used in the counts. It's fascinating how one can therefore resurrect the pronunciation by determining what were considered single syllables or krasis or elision. So it's like being there.

Consequently it's best to first parse BY CLAUSE and count syllables without ellision, then see based on the pattern, where diphthongs are deemed, or syllables are elided. For there will be a pattern, and the syllable counts will be meaningful relative to the text.


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I still see no need to change Luke's meter. Maybe he added 3 syllables to end at 1085 (vs. Matt24's 1082), due to Varro's overpadded by 3 years calendar (source of our BC/AD problem).. becoming law under Claudius? Still haven't solved that, either.
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Luke 21 videos will start posting on Sunday. Here's the link to the playlist, with the setting on the latest vid thus far, so it will be easier to scroll through only the Luke videos upcoming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH_6iNe ... f&index=27


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I'm still not finding any explanation for why Luke 21 only plots the first 1050 (1085 to align with pre-Church Mill schedule). That probably means the other Bible books will 'tag' Luke, and ALL of it will be the 'sandwich' to Matt24-25. In particular, I don't know why 364 is what John's Rev uses. I fear the whole book is metered. Gag me now.


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Luke is clearly playing on Paul and the West, providing a tangential timeline to Matt24 through 1115 AD (that's why Luke ends 1085 but Matt24 at 1082). Much more has to be done, but the ties to Matt and Mark are now listed with some salient events. I've not yet plotted his anaphora. Am starting to do it now.


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Luke 21's Meter was updated, so use the link again if you want to see it, http://www.brainout.net/Luke21Meter.pdf . Can now download en masse from the downloads directory, http://www.brainout.net/downloads .


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Series will resume after October 15th, with a much-more indepth 'Quantum Bible' showing all the related passages for the Constantine-Justinian I period.


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